Fallout: No First Use

[CSW]

OK, for you fans of the Fallout universe:

Here is the setting:
It is late October 2077, American forces, after 11 years of grueling war, have secured Beijing, and effectively defeated the People's Liberation Army in conventional warfare. In Fallout universe we know, the PRC leadership panics and launches it's remaining nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons at the US and what remains of her allies. This results in nearly everyone launching their weapons, and creating the Wasteland we all have slaughtered mutants in. But here, the PRC leadership understands that the consequence of doing so will be the utter destruction of not only the People's Republic of China, but likely the physical annihilation of the Chinese people. Faced with such possibilities, the PRC unconditionally surrenders to the United States in late afternoon of October 23, 2077. For all of it's many problems, the Old World will go on.

Do not think that everything will be fine: The United States has a long, difficult occupation ahead of it in Asia. The United States, while not on the brink of collapse, has a hyper-inflated currency, chronic food shortages (along with intermittent food rioting), and the bastards of the Enclave, while not in total control thanks to the actual government of the United States, nonetheless has turned large portions of the American public against the government. People may love their country, and may be mourning the deaths of hundreds of thousands of soldiers abroad, but they want food in their bellies, they want the rule of law, and despite all the war-time propaganda, the occupation of Canada is if anything, the most hated part of the Great War, and the most controversial. Through 11 years of war, the Enclave has been able to inculcate tolerance to it's brutal disregard for anything that challenges its power or goals, but, with the war coming to an end, simmering animosities no longer need be suppressed by total war.

Abroad, the United States is now the only country with major power projection capacity. The Soviet Union is still there, but a second tier power, the European Commonwealth is gone but the constituent nations are in their own Cold War. Thanks to great advances, the scarcity of fossil fuels is becoming less of an economic crippler, which means that presumably well run nations like in Europe and in the Asian Tigers, possibly the USSR and Latin America, are now free to begin relatively rapid recoveries, as their energy needs can now be met with ubiquitous clean fusion power. Oil is still a precious commodity, but the economic crisis of oil dependence slamming against peak oil is long past it's worst point.

The United States is half in the thrall of murderous totalitarians, but still standing as a nation that loves liberty (including lots of guns), it is utterly exhausted but victorious. The rest of the world looks on nervously, while recovering their glories in the new World of Tomorrow. So my fellow fans, what happens now?

[Filipe Augusto]

So a USA wins Fallout TL? Interesting... of course, a USA wins Fallout TL is ASB by itself, the war must've gonne on way better.

For starters, everyone pretty much hates each other. That will seriously cause problems for international co-operation.
Considering what we know, I think we might actually have many parts of the world in chaos and breaking down, mainly Africa.

There's also Maxson in Mariposa seceeding from the Union three days before the war. Could the truth about Mariposa make the Military rebel?

House finds out his calcullations have gone wrong, but on the other side he gets the Platinum Chip. I wonder if he will leave reclusion or build up even more for nuclear war. House might start investigating why the war never happened.

Don't forget New Plague is still a serious problem that could kill more and more. Also, New Plague (or Limit 115) is actually a American bio-weapon meant for sterelization that has escaped thanks to mistakes of Chinese saboteurs.

I'm thinking it would be a sloooooow recovery, around forty or fifty years until it gets to pre oil-peak levels, and during that time, the nations with enough fusion tech will rule and re-industrialize. I serously doubt USA can continue a occupation of China, its a insanely huge country, Canada is already a strain, China might be Vietnam times 10000000000x unless the local government co-operates to stop disorder.

Oh yeah, there's also all those Vaults. If they've closed in fear of nukes, then I think someone is bound to try and open them, or The Enclave will allow the experiment to go on regardless.

[CSW]

The nature of the Vault sealing in the last days of the war is never discussed in detail, but it's presumable that Vault-tec will open them within a few days the surrender. And with only 122 Vaults, you're looking at less than 122,000 people in a country of 400 million.

It is worth mentioning that how dark the 2070s are is sometimes vastly overstated in fanon. The world by the end of the 2060s was already well on it's way to an oil free future, because while the US was leading the way, everyone else was following close behind. Economically, the world was doing fine, not even crossing into Mad Max territory. The problems of the Resource Wars were largely political in nature: distrust, arms races, tariffs, embargoes, but trade was still utterly vibrant, and you can see that just by the huge number of European Guns, including the German Gauss Gun system. So the fundamentals are well in place for a recovery, and given the descriptions of the world from Operation Anchorage, the thing that actually prevented the world economy from recovering in the late 2060s was in fact the breakout of War War III with the Chinese invasion of Alaska.

And, it's no ASB that the Americans won. The United States won and won handily against the PRC, invading southern China (perhaps from Taiwan) in 2074, driving out the Commies from Alaska in Operation Anchorage in January 2077, taking the Nanking/Shanghai metropole region in March of that year, and finally taking the whole of Beijing in October of 2077. The United States had utterly defeated the PRC, and that was the only reason the Chinese launched. Not the Enclave, not super-computers, as an act of taking you with me. This is Fallout lore Canon, most of which is explicitly in the Fallout Bible.

[Epic History]

I demand a TL on this.

[CSW]

I am probably not the one to do the TL though. While I will adhere mostly to the iron clad dates and such of the Fallout timeline as provided via the Fallout wiki, I will in spirit rape the themes of Fallout's pre-war and make an interpretation that the World of Tomorrow only APPEARED to be pseudo 50s. For instance, Though 60s era TV sets? When they are working with a proper broadcast, they are as immerse as the VR of Tranquility Lane and Anchorage, but completely non-interactive, the computer technology was in 2050 equal to that of the projected 2050 OTL, but it was torn apart via cyber attacks and...restructured in ways more conducive to wishes of the elite of the military industrial complex. Those typewriters are actually purpose built word processors that operate much like some of the last electric typewriters but have the capacities of MS Office.

So, while I will like the the TL, other, more orthodox Fallout fans might not.

[Epic History]

I am tempted to write a TL for this myself, but I can't figure out what to do about Roger Maxson and his boys. If I could get some ideas about what happens to him, I could probably right a TL on this concept.

[Filipe Augusto]

CSW, what about the Enclave? They are a serious problem, they're a bunch of crazy conspirers who WANT a nuclear war to happen.

Originally Posted by Epic History

I am tempted to write a TL for this myself, but I can't figure out what to do about Roger Maxson and his boys. If I could get some ideas about what happens to him, I could probably right a TL on this concept.

Yeah, I almost forgot about him before.

By now, FEV was already public, but I don't think the public knew what kind of things were being done with FEV. It is never said in the holodisk what the US Military was doing with it on Mariposa, but it was horrifying enough for Maxson to kill the scientists. I seriously doubt they were only making super mutants there, you can do a lot of sick shit with FEV, like the Centaurs and Floaters, which according to Van Buren were also made by pre-war government experiments whose data the Master found.

Maxson began by broadcasting that he was leaving the Union, he got no response, probably because the US Military was too busy doing the final offensive on the Chinese to answer to it and the Enclave was too running to their bolt-holes like the Oil Rig and Raven Rock.

It would depend, I think, on how the military is coping with the situation. They just won a war, but on the other hand, the situation in the home front was so bad they were sending soldiers in Powered Armor to break riots.

I think Maxson may get killed by a airstrike over Mariposa or he gets attacked by Spec Ops Commandos, I think the Commandos are more probable because the government would want to take any research from the base.
Alternatively, Maxson's revolt could lead to a revolt by a tired and exausted military.

[Epic History]

Originally Posted by Filipe Augusto

Alternatively, Maxson's revolt could lead to a revolt by a tired and exhausted military.

This is what I am thinking.

Considering the orders they have been given since 2066 that have lead to heavy casualties, and fighting fellow Americans, Mariposa would push the Military to far.

While we do not know exactly what went on in Mariposa, it had to be horrendous if it caused an entire US Army units to go into active revolt, and murder all the staff.

Perhaps we could see the Military lead a semi-peaceful overthrow of the current Enclave backed-Government in favor of a more freedom oriented one.

[Starjade]

Would love to see an TL on this it sound interesting

[CSW]

I think that if the US government sends anyone not specifically and exclusively loyal to the Enclave to Mariposa, there will be a civil war. I'm convinced from a lot of circumstantial evidence that Liberty Prime was worked on as it was, and may have avoided deployment to Alaska, as General Chase's ace in the hole against a government he and most of the other officers in the military no longer had faith in.

I think that though the Enclave will not start a nuclear war, they will think about it. The Enclave has literally alienated every sector of the US populace, including all echelons of the US officer corps and pretty much all world opinion. You know that Take It Back fight in the heart of DC, with Liberty Prime pw3ning the fuck out of the Enclave? That may happen 200 years early. And there's a part of me convinced Chase had planned it that way for some time.

[CSW]

OK, I will volunteer to do the timeline, as long as I don't get any thematic or inappropriate tech arguments from anyone. I will play Fallout's retrofuturism MY way, but I will established cannon in this alternate interpretation.

[Epic History]

Originally Posted by CSW

OK, I will volunteer to do the timeline, as long as I don't get any thematic or inappropriate tech arguments from anyone. I will play Fallout's retrofuturism MY way, but I will established cannon in this alternate interpretation.

Sounds good. Your tech interpretations seem spot on, and for the most part, we just want the TL . The Details are trivial.

[CSW]

I regret to inform you all that due to my inability to get my Dragon Speak working tonight, I will not be able to post the introduction for Fallout: World of Tomorrow. It will however, be epic, and it will focus exclusively on the Enclave. The story opens October 20, 2077, although the POD won't come for another 80 hours. Then things take a frickin turn....

[Epic History]

Originally Posted by CSW

I regret to inform you all that due to my inability to get my Dragon Speak working tonight, I will not be able to post the introduction for Fallout: World of Tomorrow. It will however, be epic, and it will focus exclusively on the Enclave. The story opens October 20, 2077, although the POD won't come for another 80 hours. Then things take a frickin turn....

Awesome.

[CSW]

Expect the intro to be posted around midnight. I want comments. I want it to feel real, and I want it to feel Fallout, both in the same breath. For that I will need feedback

[CSW]

It has begun. I hope you guys like it.